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	<title>Comments on: Democracy &amp; Elitism 4: equality, opportunity and leveling up the playing field</title>
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		<title>By: Terry C. Hargrove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry C. Hargrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys! Public school teacher here, from third-rate university, 3.128 gpa earned a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. I don&#039;t really have anything to say. I&#039;ve had to defend my profession so many times, the broadsides we take just bounce off the scars. OK, one thing. Any public school will be as good as the community it serves demands that it be. The same is true for the teachers who work in that public school. Yep, that&#039;s about it. And Mad hatter! Thanks for missing me! I was gone for five days before the Mrs. knew I wasn&#039;t under my Snuggie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys! Public school teacher here, from third-rate university, 3.128 gpa earned a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. I don&#8217;t really have anything to say. I&#8217;ve had to defend my profession so many times, the broadsides we take just bounce off the scars. OK, one thing. Any public school will be as good as the community it serves demands that it be. The same is true for the teachers who work in that public school. Yep, that&#8217;s about it. And Mad hatter! Thanks for missing me! I was gone for five days before the Mrs. knew I wasn&#8217;t under my Snuggie.</p>
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		<title>By: larrybruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>larrybruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 06:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m outta here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m outta here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back up, Jeff.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 02:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I&#039;ve noticed that if one disagrees with you it&#039;s either a threadfuck, or a troll.  I was also wondering why you go by the nom de plume. Dr Slammy.  Most of us with   PhD&#039;s don&#039;t advertise the fact and don&#039;t really care how we&#039;re addressed as we&#039;re secure in our accomplishments and feel no need to brag.  I don&#039;t go by Dr. Jeff, although I could, and I have a real PhD from a good school in a real major that requires real research, not bullshit, and not a gut major from some 2nd rate school out in BFE.  Perhaps you have some deep seated inferiority issues??? Maybe you stepped up to the plate once and struck out, I don&#039;t know. Perhaps you have aging issues, as your picture suggests with your feeble attempt to look young and hip.  Not for me to try to explain, but you certainly do have personal issues that require professional help.  I&#039;m only saying this because you feel free to throw ad hominem attacks in my direction and I figure that you probably have broad shoulders to take whatever is thrown in your direction like a man.  If you need help, I can suggest the best in the world, and she would be glad to help. I sent her your posts and she called you a classic case.....whatever that means,,,,I;m no psychiatrist,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I&#8217;ve noticed that if one disagrees with you it&#8217;s either a threadfuck, or a troll.  I was also wondering why you go by the nom de plume. Dr Slammy.  Most of us with   PhD&#8217;s don&#8217;t advertise the fact and don&#8217;t really care how we&#8217;re addressed as we&#8217;re secure in our accomplishments and feel no need to brag.  I don&#8217;t go by Dr. Jeff, although I could, and I have a real PhD from a good school in a real major that requires real research, not bullshit, and not a gut major from some 2nd rate school out in BFE.  Perhaps you have some deep seated inferiority issues??? Maybe you stepped up to the plate once and struck out, I don&#8217;t know. Perhaps you have aging issues, as your picture suggests with your feeble attempt to look young and hip.  Not for me to try to explain, but you certainly do have personal issues that require professional help.  I&#8217;m only saying this because you feel free to throw ad hominem attacks in my direction and I figure that you probably have broad shoulders to take whatever is thrown in your direction like a man.  If you need help, I can suggest the best in the world, and she would be glad to help. I sent her your posts and she called you a classic case&#8230;..whatever that means,,,,I;m no psychiatrist,</p>
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		<title>By: larrybruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>larrybruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I meant Jeff. BTW, I&#039;m not trying to take sides between y&#039;all; I&#039;m just somewhat intrigued by the paradox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I meant Jeff. BTW, I&#8217;m not trying to take sides between y&#8217;all; I&#8217;m just somewhat intrigued by the paradox.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean Jeff, I take it?

We know why he spends so much time here. At least, to the extent that we can take him at his word. He has said, both here and on his own site, that he enjoys antagonizing the libruls.

So the answer is that he&#039;s a troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean Jeff, I take it?</p>
<p>We know why he spends so much time here. At least, to the extent that we can take him at his word. He has said, both here and on his own site, that he enjoys antagonizing the libruls.</p>
<p>So the answer is that he&#8217;s a troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a long story, Larry. Please don&#039;t be put off. I may not agree with everything you say, but you&#039;re willing to hang in there and you fight fair. It&#039;s nice to have you here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a long story, Larry. Please don&#8217;t be put off. I may not agree with everything you say, but you&#8217;re willing to hang in there and you fight fair. It&#8217;s nice to have you here.</p>
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		<title>By: larrybruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>larrybruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DrSlammy: Seems to me you&#039;ve been gulled by Larry&#039;s ad hominem. You could well ask him Why he spends so much time on the site if he values it so little?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DrSlammy: Seems to me you&#8217;ve been gulled by Larry&#8217;s ad hominem. You could well ask him Why he spends so much time on the site if he values it so little?</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, intellectual honesty, the courage to examine uncomfortable ideas and a good-faith commitment to rational discourse are for putzes as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, intellectual honesty, the courage to examine uncomfortable ideas and a good-faith commitment to rational discourse are for putzes as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me see if I have this straight, Jeff. I don&#039;t want to work hard, I want to have it handed to me on a silver platter. But, in case I DO work hard, I&#039;m a loser because working hard is for putzes.

I know you don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;mean&lt;/em&gt; to be so transparent, but we appreciate it just the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me see if I have this straight, Jeff. I don&#8217;t want to work hard, I want to have it handed to me on a silver platter. But, in case I DO work hard, I&#8217;m a loser because working hard is for putzes.</p>
<p>I know you don&#8217;t <em>mean</em> to be so transparent, but we appreciate it just the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, you can work hard, or you can work smart.  Sisyphus worked hard and where did it get him?  It&#039;s one thing to brag about working hard, but quixotic struggles don&#039;t matter these days.  Working smart is what counts in these times.  If S&amp;R is your self described shining moment, then I will pray for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, you can work hard, or you can work smart.  Sisyphus worked hard and where did it get him?  It&#8217;s one thing to brag about working hard, but quixotic struggles don&#8217;t matter these days.  Working smart is what counts in these times.  If S&amp;R is your self described shining moment, then I will pray for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff: I have no doubts whatsoever that your son is more than worthy of the opportunities he&#039;s been given and I have no doubt that he will succeed in whatever profession he chooses. This discussion is not about you, or your son. It&#039;s about THE SYSTEM. That should be clear from the fact that I&#039;ve said that a couple times now and even all-capped it once before. I would suggest that he was probably asked to list references - I&#039;ve never seen an academic app that didn&#039;t require them, and I think we all know that refs from impressive people help a great deal, don&#039;t we?

Also, anybody who knows me is probably laughing pretty hard at the idea that I want it all just given to me. I&#039;ve worked my ass off my entire life and there&#039;s no end in sight. And if you&#039;d fairly represent the things I have said here, you&#039;d note that I always emphasize that the recipient of the opportunity has to WORK HARD. Seriously, I make that point ALL THE TIME.

By the way, it&#039;s on the record, so if you can dig back as far as you did yesterday in an attempt to find a quote that makes me look bad, it shouldn&#039;t be too hard to quote me on something I say nearly every day, should it? Or is intellectual dishonesty easier?

Larry: Jesus H Tebow, what the hell are you talking about? How did &quot;we all benefit when the system provides each student with a chance to maximize his or her potential&quot; become &quot;we all need to spend as many years in school and accumulate as many degrees as possible&quot;? An ed system that does what ours needs to be doing isn&#039;t about the MOST years, it&#039;s about the right program. Some people won&#039;t need a lot of post-secondary at all, and if you can educate yourself to where you need to be and want to be, fine.

That said, are you really sure you&#039;re ready to stand behind the argument that there&#039;s no correlation between amount of education and achievement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: I have no doubts whatsoever that your son is more than worthy of the opportunities he&#8217;s been given and I have no doubt that he will succeed in whatever profession he chooses. This discussion is not about you, or your son. It&#8217;s about THE SYSTEM. That should be clear from the fact that I&#8217;ve said that a couple times now and even all-capped it once before. I would suggest that he was probably asked to list references &#8211; I&#8217;ve never seen an academic app that didn&#8217;t require them, and I think we all know that refs from impressive people help a great deal, don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>Also, anybody who knows me is probably laughing pretty hard at the idea that I want it all just given to me. I&#8217;ve worked my ass off my entire life and there&#8217;s no end in sight. And if you&#8217;d fairly represent the things I have said here, you&#8217;d note that I always emphasize that the recipient of the opportunity has to WORK HARD. Seriously, I make that point ALL THE TIME.</p>
<p>By the way, it&#8217;s on the record, so if you can dig back as far as you did yesterday in an attempt to find a quote that makes me look bad, it shouldn&#8217;t be too hard to quote me on something I say nearly every day, should it? Or is intellectual dishonesty easier?</p>
<p>Larry: Jesus H Tebow, what the hell are you talking about? How did &#8220;we all benefit when the system provides each student with a chance to maximize his or her potential&#8221; become &#8220;we all need to spend as many years in school and accumulate as many degrees as possible&#8221;? An ed system that does what ours needs to be doing isn&#8217;t about the MOST years, it&#8217;s about the right program. Some people won&#8217;t need a lot of post-secondary at all, and if you can educate yourself to where you need to be and want to be, fine.</p>
<p>That said, are you really sure you&#8217;re ready to stand behind the argument that there&#8217;s no correlation between amount of education and achievement?</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, i think you&#039;re missing the point. I can see why and how you would, because the situation you describe is effectively what we have today. It is almost impossible to gain entry into something we like to call the &quot;middle class&quot; without a university degree, but that situation has the perverse effect of diluting the value of a university degree and pushing the barrier into post-graduate degrees. Just a few decades ago having a uni degree was considered rather special, today it&#039;s expected.

Counter-intuitive it may be, but my feeling is that raising the basic (and required) education of children and young people across the board would be the most effective method to realize the situation you&#039;d like to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, i think you&#8217;re missing the point. I can see why and how you would, because the situation you describe is effectively what we have today. It is almost impossible to gain entry into something we like to call the &#8220;middle class&#8221; without a university degree, but that situation has the perverse effect of diluting the value of a university degree and pushing the barrier into post-graduate degrees. Just a few decades ago having a uni degree was considered rather special, today it&#8217;s expected.</p>
<p>Counter-intuitive it may be, but my feeling is that raising the basic (and required) education of children and young people across the board would be the most effective method to realize the situation you&#8217;d like to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What early childhood programs do you support? After all, a full-ride scholarship to Exeter is only useful to someone who meets the academic entrance requirements. And that achievement gap between rich kids and poor kids doesn&#039;t start widening in high school, middle school, or even elementary. By age 1, my kids had already had more books read to them than many entering kindergarteners in the school district I was teaching in. Pit my preschooler against the typical poor kindergartener in a letter/sound recognition contest and I can tell you where my money is. It&#039;s not just because he&#039;s a bright kid, it&#039;s because that raw brainpower has been nurtured both at home and at the preschool we are able to afford to send him to.

If we really want to see a leveled up playing field, we need to invest our money and time in programs that offer working parents an attractive and affordable preschool alternative to the free babysitting that Grandma provides while she watches Jerry Springer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What early childhood programs do you support? After all, a full-ride scholarship to Exeter is only useful to someone who meets the academic entrance requirements. And that achievement gap between rich kids and poor kids doesn&#8217;t start widening in high school, middle school, or even elementary. By age 1, my kids had already had more books read to them than many entering kindergarteners in the school district I was teaching in. Pit my preschooler against the typical poor kindergartener in a letter/sound recognition contest and I can tell you where my money is. It&#8217;s not just because he&#8217;s a bright kid, it&#8217;s because that raw brainpower has been nurtured both at home and at the preschool we are able to afford to send him to.</p>
<p>If we really want to see a leveled up playing field, we need to invest our money and time in programs that offer working parents an attractive and affordable preschool alternative to the free babysitting that Grandma provides while she watches Jerry Springer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you&#039;re thinking too small.  I won&#039;t argue that the opportunities aren&#039;t there.  But look at the numbers.  I suspect the amount of funds available through the programs you are describing doesn&#039;t come close to educating the numbers Slammy is talking about.  Slammy is talking about educating the entire society, focusing on those with talent and skill.  You are talking about educating a very select few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you&#8217;re thinking too small.  I won&#8217;t argue that the opportunities aren&#8217;t there.  But look at the numbers.  I suspect the amount of funds available through the programs you are describing doesn&#8217;t come close to educating the numbers Slammy is talking about.  Slammy is talking about educating the entire society, focusing on those with talent and skill.  You are talking about educating a very select few.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be done by everyone.  It&#039;s just that things aren&#039;t going to be handed out on a silver platter which is what you want.  There is opportunity, but there is work in finding the opportunity and real hard work in creating your own opportunity.  As an aside, my son did his Exeter application all by himself, without any interference, old boy network help,  alumni help,  assistance or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be done by everyone.  It&#8217;s just that things aren&#8217;t going to be handed out on a silver platter which is what you want.  There is opportunity, but there is work in finding the opportunity and real hard work in creating your own opportunity.  As an aside, my son did his Exeter application all by himself, without any interference, old boy network help,  alumni help,  assistance or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: larrybruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>larrybruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether it&#039;s Jeff&#039;s way or yours, DrSlammy, I don&#039;t care for the idea of a society in which economic and political enfranchisement depends on the number of years in school.  It&#039;s an arms race in academic credentials. That problem is usually understood under the rubric of &quot;economic rents.&quot; Students (and their unfortunate parents) pay for schooling in order to purchase a license to collect economic rent: additional income from formal and informal barriers to entry from jobseekers who lack the required credential. The educational system claims a share of this income from parents in the form of exorbitant tuition. I sense that the time&#039;s not far off when jobs in &quot;social media marketing&quot; will go to candidates who possess a degree in the field: mere marketing or communications won&#039;t be specific enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it&#8217;s Jeff&#8217;s way or yours, DrSlammy, I don&#8217;t care for the idea of a society in which economic and political enfranchisement depends on the number of years in school.  It&#8217;s an arms race in academic credentials. That problem is usually understood under the rubric of &#8220;economic rents.&#8221; Students (and their unfortunate parents) pay for schooling in order to purchase a license to collect economic rent: additional income from formal and informal barriers to entry from jobseekers who lack the required credential. The educational system claims a share of this income from parents in the form of exorbitant tuition. I sense that the time&#8217;s not far off when jobs in &#8220;social media marketing&#8221; will go to candidates who possess a degree in the field: mere marketing or communications won&#8217;t be specific enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great that these schools have scholarship programs. I wasn&#039;t aware that this was ever in question. Still, your answer encourages us to believe things that are not necessarily accurate. For one, an uncritical reader would walk away from this quote believing that any kid in America can go to Exeter.

Which is hardly the case. You have to be admitted, and when we&#039;re talking about admissions processes at elite institutions we have to circle back around to that &quot;connected&quot; thing. You don&#039;t HAVE to be a Rockefeller insider, but strong family connections damned sure don&#039;t hurt anything.

For my part, I think we&#039;d be best served by a system that assured kids the optimal opportunity. That&#039;s a different thing from having a system where they&#039;re allowed to APPLY for the optimal opportunity.

In the final analysis, I&#039;ve argued over and over and over that we Americans are HORRIBLE about confusing the rule with the exception. If I can show you a case where a guy succeeded against one-in-a-billion odds, somehow that becomes proof that the system provides everybody with a fair shot. The correct answer, of course, is that if only one talented guy in a billion is succeeding, your system is well more than 99.99% fucked.

I&#039;m not arguing that it can&#039;t be done, and I&#039;m not arguing that it never &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; done. I&#039;m arguing that we have a system where opportunity is all too often the exception when it should be the rule. If there&#039;s a genius out there who can develop a cure for cancer or HIV or diabetes, I&#039;d like to know that he or she is going to wind up in an outstanding research lab instead of slogging through a community college and finally winding up as an insurance adjuster because he/she had financial necessities that could no longer be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great that these schools have scholarship programs. I wasn&#8217;t aware that this was ever in question. Still, your answer encourages us to believe things that are not necessarily accurate. For one, an uncritical reader would walk away from this quote believing that any kid in America can go to Exeter.</p>
<p>Which is hardly the case. You have to be admitted, and when we&#8217;re talking about admissions processes at elite institutions we have to circle back around to that &#8220;connected&#8221; thing. You don&#8217;t HAVE to be a Rockefeller insider, but strong family connections damned sure don&#8217;t hurt anything.</p>
<p>For my part, I think we&#8217;d be best served by a system that assured kids the optimal opportunity. That&#8217;s a different thing from having a system where they&#8217;re allowed to APPLY for the optimal opportunity.</p>
<p>In the final analysis, I&#8217;ve argued over and over and over that we Americans are HORRIBLE about confusing the rule with the exception. If I can show you a case where a guy succeeded against one-in-a-billion odds, somehow that becomes proof that the system provides everybody with a fair shot. The correct answer, of course, is that if only one talented guy in a billion is succeeding, your system is well more than 99.99% fucked.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing that it can&#8217;t be done, and I&#8217;m not arguing that it never <em>is</em> done. I&#8217;m arguing that we have a system where opportunity is all too often the exception when it should be the rule. If there&#8217;s a genius out there who can develop a cure for cancer or HIV or diabetes, I&#8217;d like to know that he or she is going to wind up in an outstanding research lab instead of slogging through a community college and finally winding up as an insurance adjuster because he/she had financial necessities that could no longer be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Equality of opportunity begins at grade nine. Check.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, Sam gets it wrong.  Free education is available to bright students, period.  Harvard, Yale, and Princeton all offer free education to students who&#039;s parents make less than $75,000 a year.  My son went to Phillips Exeter before college.  Exeter, in their own words says,
&quot;Exeter originated the system of instruction known as Harkness teaching in 1931. In the spirit of its charter to foster both goodness and knowledge, Exeter offers a free education to any admitted student whose family income is $75,000 or less. The school meets all demonstrated financial aid needs of its admitted students. Read the Facts booklet for more information&quot;
http://www.exeter.edu/about_us/about_us_286.aspx

Andover and most other prep schools offer the same thing.  They are able to offer this opportunity because guys like me make sure that they can.  We don&#039;t pontificate,  we give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, Sam gets it wrong.  Free education is available to bright students, period.  Harvard, Yale, and Princeton all offer free education to students who&#8217;s parents make less than $75,000 a year.  My son went to Phillips Exeter before college.  Exeter, in their own words says,<br />
&#8220;Exeter originated the system of instruction known as Harkness teaching in 1931. In the spirit of its charter to foster both goodness and knowledge, Exeter offers a free education to any admitted student whose family income is $75,000 or less. The school meets all demonstrated financial aid needs of its admitted students. Read the Facts booklet for more information&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.exeter.edu/about_us/about_us_286.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.exeter.edu/about_us/about_us_286.aspx</a></p>
<p>Andover and most other prep schools offer the same thing.  They are able to offer this opportunity because guys like me make sure that they can.  We don&#8217;t pontificate,  we give.</p>
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